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Originally Posted by 1DisneyNut
I do not know or know of through friends or acquaintances anyone who has been hospitalized due to Covid 19. I know quite a few who have had it and it was like having a cold or allergies with body aches for a few days and on they went with their lives though.
I personally know two people who have lost their mothers to COVID-19 and one friend who lost their mother and (42-year-old) brother to the virus. And I work in a hospital dealing daily with COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths. Please do not trivialize what these people and families go through just because it hasn’t touched you personally.
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Well it is a start. Opening up but hope it will not last for long!
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Originally Posted by Cinderelley
If someone put out a bowl of 100 M&Ms that had 6 M&Ms with deadly poison in it and told you that eating one would allow our economy not to crash and people other than covid 19 people would receive their needed medical care, would you eat it? I would. I realize that the world is bigger than me. I am expendable for the greater good. Also, if I live, I may have developed an immunity to the deadly poison, allowing others to be safer.
What if those M&Ms can appear anywhere? When the elderly receive much needed supplies at their house, an M&M could be mixed in with their food. What happens then? They might see the M&M and take it out. They may not. What if a lot of people had eaten the M&Ms? Sure, 6 of them may die, but the other 94 of them have developed a resistance to it. They could deliver those much needed supplies to the vulnerable people and if an M&M appears, they could eat it for them. 94 people delivering supplies to those elderly people might save more people than the 6 who died from the initial M&Ms.
Unless they are the peanut butter filled kind, I'm passing. Besides we all do that any time we eat m&ms. The green ones are poison I thought?
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I thought the green ones were magic!
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Originally Posted by texas211
Unless they are the peanut butter filled kind, I'm passing. Besides we all do that any time we eat m&ms. The green ones are poison I thought?
I just read that red #40 is the most toxic food dye. Maybe they are all slowly poisoning us.
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Originally Posted by joonyer
I thought the green ones were magic!
I was always told that the green ones had a much different effect, not appropriate for this forum.
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I'm going with the green ones then.
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Originally Posted by azcavalier
I was always told that the green ones had a much different effect, not appropriate for this forum.
Probably the blue ones also. Don't eat them for more than 4 hours. :P
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Originally Posted by Altair
As of now there have been 5,900,527 cases worldwide and 361,764 deaths. That's a 6% death rate.
Recovery rate worldwide is at 42%.
In the words of Samuel Clemmons (I know, Mark Twain), "There are lies, **** lies, and statistics. In all locations where testing rates are high, death rates are low. The death rate in America is less than 1% and falling as more people are tested. And it is important to note, in all countries, the overwhelming number of deaths is in the 75 and older category .
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Originally Posted by RunDMV
In the words of Samuel Clemmons (I know, Mark Twain), "There are lies, **** lies, and statistics. In all locations where testing rates are high, death rates are low. The death rate in America is less than 1% and falling as more people are tested. And it is important to note, in all countries, the overwhelming number of deaths is in the 75 and older category .
Exactly, and testing is still to this day so far behind and nowhere near easily enough accessed. There are literally millions of undiagnosed cases that are not counted in the statistics. How do I know this for sure.....because myself and my family did not have access to testing when we had it so we are not counted.
Anybody that is trying to stay home and avoid going out in public until there is a vaccine needs to realize that it will most likely be close to 3 years before enough vaccine can be produced for it to be available to the general public. That is assuming that a working vaccine is developed, tested and approved for use within the next 6 months or so. Who knows if that will even happen or not.
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Originally Posted by RunDMV
In the words of Samuel Clemmons (I know, Mark Twain), "There are lies, **** lies, and statistics. In all locations where testing rates are high, death rates are low. The death rate in America is less than 1% and falling as more people are tested. And it is important to note, in all countries, the overwhelming number of deaths is in the 75 and older category .
But, there is a big difference between the number of tests done vs fatalities (your 1% figure) and confirmed cases and fatalities (simple math shows that at 5.6% currently).
There will be a huge number of people tested who do not get the virus but may still be carriers. Do you want those people to infect your loved ones? Do you want to take a chance on a loved one falling into that 5.6% category?
I am all for opening everything back up and getting back to some semblance of "normal," but I would like to see a viable and valid treatment regimen for those who DO end up with the virus before risking my loved ones. NO, I am NOT saying to wait until a vaccine is ready, tested, and widely available. We all know that it could be many months before that is ready.
IF you intend to go out in public and socialize, just be careful and take necessary precautions, listen to the recommendations of healthcare professionals, and keep yourself and those around you safe and healthy.
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Originally Posted by PopPhan
But, there is a big difference between the number of tests done vs fatalities (your 1% figure) and confirmed cases and fatalities (simple math shows that at 5.6% currently).
There will be a huge number of people tested who do not get the virus but may still be carriers. Do you want those people to infect your loved ones? Do you want to take a chance on a loved one falling into that 5.6% category?
I am all for opening everything back up and getting back to some semblance of "normal," but I would like to see a viable and valid treatment regimen for those who DO end up with the virus before risking my loved ones. NO, I am NOT saying to wait until a vaccine is ready, tested, and widely available. We all know that it could be many months before that is ready.
IF you intend to go out in public and socialize, just be careful and take necessary precautions, listen to the recommendations of healthcare professionals, and keep yourself and those around you safe and healthy.
What in the World (pun intended) are you talking about???? At no time was it 5.6%. At its highpoint, when there was little testing, it was 2.5%. It is well below 1% now, unless you are 75+ years old.
And most importantly, people who died of other reasons, but tested positive for COVID are listed as COVID deaths.
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Originally Posted by RunDMV
What in the World (pun intended) are you talking about???? At no time was it 5.6%. At its highpoint, when there was little testing, it was 2.5%. It is well below 1% now, unless you are 75+ years old.
And most importantly, people who died of other reasons, but tested positive for COVID are listed as COVID deaths.
Current numbers for the US: 2060158 confirmed cases, 115351 deaths ==>> 115351/2060158= 0.05599 As a percentage, that is 5.599%
But, you will believe what you want to believe....
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One of you is discussing over all statistics. One of you is discussing statistics for those not at high risk (I believe he said over 75, but don't remember exactly.) You are comparing apples to oranges. Statistics can be made to say anything you want them to say if you word the question correctly.
As far as listening to healthcare professionals, there are quite a few of them saying different things.
Everyone has a different risk tolerance and different priorities. My mother is 80, and she would rather see her kids (including me who has been working in the covid unit) and possibly die than live and not see them. Her answer to Popphan's question is yes, she is willing to possibly fall into that 5.6% category. I have many older friends and family members who have the same view. For some people it is quantity over quality. For others, it is quality over quantity. Only they can decide what is more important to them in their life.
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Originally Posted by Cinderelley
One of you is discussing over all statistics. One of you is discussing statistics for those not at high risk (I believe he said over 75, but don't remember exactly.) You are comparing apples to oranges. Statistics can be made to say anything you want them to say if you word the question correctly.
As far as listening to healthcare professionals, there are quite a few of them saying different things.
Everyone has a different risk tolerance and different priorities. My mother is 80, and she would rather see her kids (including me who has been working in the covid unit) and possibly die than live and not see them. Her answer to Popphan's question is yes, she is willing to possibly fall into that 5.6% category. I have many older friends and family members who have the same view. For some people it is quantity over quality. For others, it is quality over quantity. Only they can decide what is more important to them in their life.
Thank you for that. My mother has just been taken to the hospital with COVID-19 symptoms. She tested positive this week, the test results came back yesterday, and she was rushed to the hospital this morning...Even with oxygen, before being shipped to the hospital, she is reading around 30% pulse-ox.
She is 84 and has been in a nursing home for a number of years now and we have not been able to see her since the first week of March, so if I am taking these comments a bit personally, please forgive me.
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Originally Posted by PopPhan
But, there is a big difference between the number of tests done vs fatalities (your 1% figure) and confirmed cases and fatalities (simple math shows that at 5.6% currently).
There will be a huge number of people tested who do not get the virus but may still be carriers. Do you want those people to infect your loved ones? Do you want to take a chance on a loved one falling into that 5.6% category?
I am all for opening everything back up and getting back to some semblance of "normal," but I would like to see a viable and valid treatment regimen for those who DO end up with the virus before risking my loved ones. NO, I am NOT saying to wait until a vaccine is ready, tested, and widely available. We all know that it could be many months before that is ready.
IF you intend to go out in public and socialize, just be careful and take necessary precautions, listen to the recommendations of healthcare professionals, and keep yourself and those around you safe and healthy.
I don't get what you are arguing. You are saying 5.6% of those that test positive for Covid 19 die. I have no doubt that is probably correct. RunDMV's point is that the people that die and are at high risk are above the age of 75. If you were to look at the statistics, I will guarantee you that over 95% of your 5.6% were over the age of 75 and of those I would bet most had a preexisting condition or were within a couple years of dying of either natural causes or succumbing to their preexisting condition.
Originally Posted by RunDMV
What in the World (pun intended) are you talking about???? At no time was it 5.6%. At its highpoint, when there was little testing, it was 2.5%. It is well below 1% now, unless you are 75+ years old.
And most importantly, people who died of other reasons, but tested positive for COVID are listed as COVID deaths.
That is what irritates me the most. Regardless of what they actually really were dying from, whether be cancer, COPD from 50 years of smoking or whatever; if they tested positive for Covid 19 prior to dying, the cause of death is being listed as Covid 19. It is skewing the statistics.
Originally Posted by PopPhan
Current numbers for the US: 2060158 confirmed cases, 115351 deaths ==>> 115351/2060158= 0.05599 As a percentage, that is 5.599%
But, you will believe what you want to believe....
I discussed this math above. However, I will add another comment. You are doing the math based on confirmed cases. That is all fine and good but there are literally hundreds of thousands of cases that are and will forever be unconfirmed because testing was either unavailable at the time or they just simply never went to the doctor. Part of my family falls into that category but we do in fact know for sure we had it because other family members that caught it from us tested positive a couple weeks later and they had the exact same symptoms and were sick the exact same amount of time.
The problem with Covid 19 is it is extremely contagious. I hate to break it to everyone but it is not going to be months until a vaccine is widely available to the general public. It is going to be in the area of 2 years. In all likelihood the majority of the population is going to have been exposed and had Covid 19 before a vaccine is widely available. It is going to a vaccine that was rushed with very little testing and may very well not be 100% effective and we may even see unintended side effects as the masses take it over the course of a couple of years. Think long and hard before you go take a vaccine with very little testing and background history. I'm not going to be taking it anytime soon and probably never will because this is going to play itself out anyway. I am actually glad I have already had it and can just move on with my life. Those of you that are healthy and low risk should really just quit worrying about it because you are in all likelihood going to get it sometime in the next year anyway regardless of how hard you try not to unless you go hide in a cave and don't come out for the next couple of years and even then you would have a good chance of getting it anyway because it is probably here to stay like the flu.
Pophan, I am sorry to hear that your mother has tested positive and is very sick. I hope they take care of her and she recovers. There really isn't much we can do to prevent this very contagious disease from running it's course. It is just going to happen and unfortunately we are going to lose people along the way.
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Originally Posted by PopPhan
Thank you for that. My mother has just been taken to the hospital with COVID-19 symptoms. She tested positive this week, the test results came back yesterday, and she was rushed to the hospital this morning...Even with oxygen, before being shipped to the hospital, she is reading around 30% pulse-ox.
She is 84 and has been in a nursing home for a number of years now and we have not been able to see her since the first week of March, so if I am taking these comments a bit personally, please forgive me.
MODERATORS: Please feel free to delete any and/or all of my posts on this thread. I am sorry.
You are just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else and things tend to appear differently when it is you or your loved ones who are critically ill.
I feel very strongly that keeping people's families away from them when they are needed most is wrong. I am all for having them in the code rooms in the ER if the family feels they can handle it. For some people, they need that closure. For some people, having their family there helps them find strength they didn't know they had. Also, when someone is very sick, they don't think like they normally do. For example, when I was very sick in the hospital, I thought my son didn't like me, because he didn't come and visit every day. Now that I am well, I can understand that he was in college full time and had to attend classes. My very sick brain couldn't comprehend that though. If I had the money, I would make a hospice unit just for covid 19 patients, so that their family members could be at their side.
Enough of my soap box. *hugs* and I will keep you and your family in my prayers.
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All the arguing over statistics isn't going to change the fact that if you want to go to Disney in the near future, you will have to wear a mask.
Mods, probably time to lock it, it's pretty well diverged from the 'here's what Chapek said' post that I meant it to be.
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Whats the chances people are going to wear there masks, wear them consistently and correctly. Slim I reckon.
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