Adults need to remember

[SBETigg]

OK, time for me to sharpen my point...
Intercot is the most positive of all Disney message boards, this is why I have been coming here for over 10 years where some others I will never go back.

Here is my point in a nut shell:
Just because Disney does something that doesn't appeal to "you" does not make it a bad idea.

This is, in fact, more clear now, a better point. Thank you for clarifying. I was wondering what kind of hate you were seeing out here. But, I also think that because we love, we want to comment on things that we find agreeable or disagreeable. There's always someone who will shrug at the opinion and not comment, or actually feel differently and make a case. Sometimes, yes, it's not my favorite when it seems like there's more negative than positive, but it usually balances out.

[DizneyFreak2002]

Here is my point in a nut shell:
Just because Disney does something that doesn't appeal to "you" does not make it a bad idea.

Just because Disney does something doesn't make it a good idea either...

And with the decisions TDO makes, well, none of them are usually good decisions... They are always made with the bottom line in mind, not guest satisfaction... it is "LET'S DO THE ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM" which is what they have been doing the last 10 maybe 20 years....

As for the princess meet and greets, well, I already have stated many times how this could have been accomplished WITHOUT losing Snow White's ride... So yes, losing Snow White for a meet and greet is a bad idea... if not a dumb one...

And most of the negativity you see really truly stems from the mismanagement of the parks... Only the facts are brought up..

FACT: TDO has cut maintenance to almost nothing...

FACT: Many rides are in rough shape and NOT getting fixed due to these budget cuts...

FACT: Bad show is now the norm.... Rides would be 101 or even shut down for months long refurbishments when one piece of bad show was center stage... Today??? Things are allowed to run no matter the poor condition...

That is mismanagement... The complaints you see really boil down to the dopes running the place... And until they go (and they can't go soon enough), you won't see a change...

[DisneyDINK]

Think about this, if someone never heard of WDW and could only find out about it with these boards, THEY WOULD NEVER GO!!

Well, let's think about another scenario: what if a family went to WDW without doing their homework at a place like Intercot. Wouldn't they likely be blind-sided by all sorts of things? They would show up and not be able to eat at lots of restaurants because they didn't understand the importance of ADRs. They might not pack the proper clothes to deal with the Florida weather. They might book a holiday weekend and not know how much more crowded the parks were going to be. They might miss out on hundreds of dollars of discounts because they didn't understand the intricasies of Disney's resort pricing or that there are travel agencies like MJ that will work to save you money at no additional cost to them. They might instead go to some travel agent who recommends a resort which they later find they are less than crazy about (which is what happened to me on my first adult trip to WDW). I can only begin to explain all of the stuff I have learned about WDW on these boards and how much it has enhanced my experiences at WDW.

Honestly, I do sympathize with the OP. Despite my screen name and its obvious implications I'm glad there are things geared to kids, and only kids, at WDW. I want kids and families to have fun. There are pleanty of grown-up good times to be had for me.

..and yeah... maybe we could complain a little less.

[tigmickey]

I never stated that we should not look with a critical eye. I never stated that parents/families should not be aloud in.

Maybe it is not what is said but how it is said. Take the time to re-read the posts about Avatar. There are very valid concerns. (What if the next 2 movies are like the Matrix) But you would have to admit that some of the concerns are that "I" won't like it so it should not be done. I am not looking to point fingers at anyone )

[brownie]

Moderator Warning:

This thread is heading in the wrong direction. Let's keep it respectful. Discuss the issue without making it personal.

[DizneyFreak2002]

Let's see if this makes sense, I'm beat, my brain is fried, but I have this thought on my mind and want to get it out there... And I have to get up early to get my Dark Knight Rises tickets in the A.M....

I view WDW like a sports team... You can be a fan of a sports team yet be critical of it... Doesn't make anyone less of a fan, and it surely doesn't make you negative...

I'm a Yankees fan, as are many of my friends... However, I don't fall in line with every move Brian Cashman makes... If I don't like a trade or a signing, I'll express my displeasure over it... I'll also praise the competition, such as Tampa Bay... To my friends, well, the Yankees can do no wrong and they are the only team on MLB... When I praise a team such as Tampa Bay, they attack, like I said something wrong... And forget criticizing a move Cashman or Girardi makes... They look at me like I have two heads... This doesn't make me any less of a fan, nor does it make them better Yankee fans than me (I just think they are delusional LOL)...

The same goes for WDW... You can be a fan of the place (and I assume we all are or else we wouldn't be here) and still criticize a business decision you don't like or bring up poor management or discuss things that are falling apart and where WDW is lacking or how TDO is cheap and how they think guests are idiots, I can go on... or even talk about how Universal has caught up and in some ways surpassed WDW... Or even say that you enjoy Universal or SeaWorld and other things outside of the gates of WDW...

No one person is a bigger fan or a better fan than the other... Just some of us prefer to hold Disney to their own high standards instead of TDO's lazy little as possible, just good enough attitude....

[tigmickey]

Let's see if this makes sense, I'm beat, my brain is fried, but I have this thought on my mind and want to get it out there... And I have to get up early to get my Dark Knight Rises tickets in the A.M....

I view WDW like a sports team... You can be a fan of a sports team yet be critical of it... Doesn't make anyone less of a fan, and it surely doesn't make you negative...

I'm a Yankees fan, as are many of my friends... However, I don't fall in line with every move Brian Cashman makes... If I don't like a trade or a signing, I'll express my displeasure over it... I'll also praise the competition, such as Tampa Bay... To my friends, well, the Yankees can do no wrong and they are the only team on MLB... When I praise a team such as Tampa Bay, they attack, like I said something wrong... And forget criticizing a move Cashman or Girardi makes... They look at me like I have two heads... This doesn't make me any less of a fan, nor does it make them better Yankee fans than me (I just think they are delusional LOL)...

The same goes for WDW... You can be a fan of the place (and I assume we all are or else we wouldn't be here) and still criticize a business decision you don't like or bring up poor management or discuss things that are falling apart and where WDW is lacking or how TDO is cheap and how they think guests are idiots, I can go on... or even talk about how Universal has caught up and in some ways surpassed WDW... Or even say that you enjoy Universal or SeaWorld and other things outside of the gates of WDW...

No one person is a bigger fan or a better fan than the other... Just some of us prefer to hold Disney to their own high standards instead of TDO's lazy little as possible, just good enough attitude....

Very well said. When I wrote the original post I had just finished reading the Avatar thread start to finish. It can be very depressing how many "fans" can be negative. I didn't mean to cause anyone stress.

There is nothing wrong with open discussion as long as all parties are respectful. I have some very good friends whom I disagree with concerning politics but we never get mean or personal. We see things different.

As I stated I am not pointing fingers INTERCOT is the best Disney board that I check out. I mostly lurk to find out information and whats whats.

In closing, I think that I was frustrated and vented. If I would have chosen my words more closely there wouldn't have been so much brew-ha-ha. Thanks.

[dizneydeb22]

Adults need to remember who WDW was built for, KIDS. Kids love interactive queues! Kids love character meet and greets! Kids love rides that spin in a circle slowly!

It gets frustrating to check into the boards to see what is going on and read ALL THE NEGATIVITY!! What's next, complaining that it is HOT in Florida? That it is crowded in July? That sometimes the Monorail stops because it is backed up?

Things happen. Things change. It is how we deal with things that make us adults and not spoiled larger children. (I know it is ironic that I am complaining about people that are complaining.)

Think about this, if someone never heard of WDW and could only find out about it with these boards, THEY WOULD NEVER GO!!

The world needs less hatred. Let's start with these boards...

I understood what you meant. My husband I go to WDW alone from time to time, but I didn't feel slighted by your comments. Some of the posts prove your point exactly. I can think of one particular poster who is constantly negative and I have begun to skip over their posts. Yes, I do believe that Disney makes mistakes, but some of the responses are just over the top with negativity. I take it with a grain of salt.
Now I also believe that everyone has a right to their opinion and to be able to discuss it. If it bothers me, I just skip it. 99.9% of the great people on ICOT are not negative, so just overlook the nay sayers and keep the magic going. One thing I've learned is that you cannot make everyone happy. Judging by the crowds, Disney is not doing such a bad job!
Have a great day everyone! Our differences/individuality are what makes this world go round.
In light of what happened in Colorado this morning, the broken animatronics on Splash Mountain do not seem like such an important problem!

[MaterializedHaunt]

Just throwing my 2cents in here. I was a kid and still am big time at heart! I am 27 years old and I will wait in a princess line just to get my picture with Jasmine! (dont tell my gf about that, she hates when I see Jasmine haha). But while Disney is very attractive for kids indeed. Adults are very attracted to Disney! Hence I go back every year without kids. Just my little thoughts.

[mickeys_princess_mom]

Just throwing my 2cents in here. I was a kid and still am big time at heart! I am 27 years old and I will wait in a princess line just to get my picture with Jasmine! (dont tell my gf about that, she hates when I see Jasmine haha). But while Disney is very attractive for kids indeed. Adults are very attracted to Disney! Hence I go back every year without kids. Just my little thoughts.

[minnie04]

I understood what you meant. My husband I go to WDW alone from time to time, but I didn't feel slighted by your comments. Some of the posts prove your point exactly. I can think of one particular poster who is constantly negative and I have begun to skip over their posts. Yes, I do believe that Disney makes mistakes, but some of the responses are just over the top with negativity. I take it with a grain of salt.
Now I also believe that everyone has a right to their opinion and to be able to discuss it. If it bothers me, I just skip it. 99.9% of the great people on ICOT are not negative, so just overlook the nay sayers and keep the magic going. One thing I've learned is that you cannot make everyone happy. Judging by the crowds, Disney is not doing such a bad job!
Have a great day everyone! Our differences/individuality are what makes this world go round.
In light of what happened in Colorado this morning, the broken animatronics on Splash Mountain do not seem like such an important problem!

Well said !!!!

[darthmacho]

A lot has been said here already, but I want to make two points, and apologize if they have been made already.

1. There may be debates over some decisions that Disney makes over their theme parks, and a longing for attractions of the past, but I think that the Intercot boards are a haven for people with an overwhelmingly positive view of WDW.

2. WDW is not for kids. It's for everyone. As much as I loved my first trip with both my kids in 2010, I'll always cherish my very first trip, which consisted of just me and my wife...alone...as adults.

[texas211]

Isn't that why we are on an internet board, to agree/disagree and discuss all kinds of ideas?

As far as interactive queues. I don't feel that all rides need them. But people, not just kids, need stimuli 24/7 and if they can't get it, feel they are being deprived of something equal to oxygen.

Some rides need to change, some should never. But, I'm one of those people that only believe maybe 25% of all change, or so called progress, is actually good.